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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Mon, September 26, 2005 - 9:17 AMOkay. But does this have anything demonstrably to do with quantum physics? -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Mon, September 26, 2005 - 12:40 PMWell, like a lot of new age stuff they do seem to like to use the word "quantum" a lot... "Quantum" has become the hip new word to add to everything in the new age movement to make it sound as if it has some basis in science--'quantum healing,' 'quantum light breathwork,' 'quantum meditation,' 'quantum yoga...'
Other than that I doubt anyone contributing to that site knows the difference between a probability wave function and a crossword puzzle... -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Mon, September 26, 2005 - 12:54 PMI've had an upset stomach lately maybe it's quantum indigestion. Or worse it's the quantum flu. Oh no.
I must say that even though a lot of the new age searchers are misguided I still respect them for trying to get better and going with the flow, as long as they become interested in the science of the buzz word they toss around.
oh shoot I have to go, I'm late for quantum tea time! ;-) -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Mon, September 26, 2005 - 3:33 PMAnd watch out for those quantum piles, and if you have them be sure to use some quantum Preparation H! -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 7:19 AMMark Comings is a mathmetician and a quantum physicist that has opened alot doors to understanding. He used to work for the "government" and has deveoloped frer energy devices which had been confiscated by "the forces of govermnent"....
if you choose to stay closed so be it....but know this: Science goes deeper than your text books.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 11:34 AM""Mark Comings is a mathmetician and a quantum physicist...""
Just out of curiousity, where did he earn his degrees? What papers has he published in peer reviewed journals? Where are these free-energy devices you mentioned? Even if they were confiscated by "the forces of government" why hasn't he made more? Or published the blueprints? Surely if he feels confident enough to give seminars and write books about them then he could easily publish this information...
The funny thing is that even assuming the "forces of the government" are out to get him he could publish this info on the web and at that point the genie would be out of the bottle. People all over the world would be making these devices and proving the truth of his claims.
On the other hand, if he were really this brave crusader against the men in black he would be hiding on a sheep farm somewhere in South America listening for the whap-whap-whap of copter blades ready to run into the jungle at a moments notice--he wouldn't be writingg books and giving seminars about something which he patently can't demonstrate (else he would).
I would absolutely love it if someone would come up with the innovations he claims to have come up with... but talk is cheap. He needs to either prove it, or stop making a living off of fooling gullible types who are easily impressed by big words and small minds. -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 4:45 AMMark Comings
Mark Comings is a Physicist who has been working in the area of fundamental physics for over 20 years. He studied physics and mathematics at U.C. Berkeley and Caltech and has been involved in exploring and looking freshly at the foundations of physics through a number of innovative and elegant unconventional conceptual approaches.
His focus has been on the physics of space, time, light and energy. He has been actively involved in re-visioning these basic concepts in fundamental ways that resolve deep contradictions at the basis of our scientific conceptions of nature. He has been particularly interested in the nature of energy and has been involved in exploring and expanding ourunderstanding of energy at a theoretical level as well as investigating ways to reduce these new conceptual approaches to practice in a wide range of new technological applications particularly focused in the area of highefficiency clean energy generating technology.
He was recently a senior research scientist focusing on the research and development of new energy technology at the International Space Sciences Organization (now defunct) and is now working to support and encourage the development and increased integration into the existing technological infrastructure of a broad spectrum of clean and sustainable energy technologies.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 4:55 AMIf we are misguided....than so be it...at least we do it with "love"...
Love: an element that MOST poeple are lacking...and really need to rekindle in their synaptic coding.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 7:11 AMHas anyone read "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot? It kind of wraps the whole new age thing up with the Quantum Science that we usually talk about in here, it was an interesting read. I don't think I give it much credance however, but it was still interesting.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 8:56 AM>>"Love: an element that MOST poeple are lacking...and really need to rekindle in their synaptic coding."
Love, love, love. love is all we need... I think the Beatles said it better, but although I have always liked the song, the fundamental message seems a bit silly and sappy to me. I think what the world really needs is tolerance and understanding, a commitment to non-violent resolutions to conflict and free beer for everyone. I am really worried about this synaptic coding idea- kind of sounds like mind control...
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 5:03 AMI found an identical note in the Mathematics Tribe.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 5:46 AMSo, is there something going on in math that meshes with a gauzy, soft-edged new age agenda? Something to do with Riemann's Zeta function, perhaps? -
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open your horizons...
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 7:29 AM... and you will discover many beautiful Truths to quench your desires that you so unmistakably crave
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Re: open your horizons...
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 7:44 AM>>"open your horizons...
... and you will discover many beautiful Truths to quench your desires that you so unmistakably crave"
If only truth were so easy to find. I think that in reality, it takes a lifetime of work to find just one thing that you might hold to be true...
... so no doubt, just as my desire for truth is unmistakable, it is also unquenchable. -
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Re: open your horizons...
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 8:54 AMyes that is true....Truth....can be felt before understood I feel....
unquenchable....om....me too I feel....until I rest my heart in a knowing meditative realm where I just simply understand will come to me when I am ready, and when it is time. in Time....
peace to you....
Love always....
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Re: open your horizons...
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 8:11 AMYour words are so soothing, I think I'm getting ... sleepy. -
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Re: open your horizons...
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 8:51 AMmay you dream the most beautiful realizations of the union between particle and wave....
truly....in sleep (dream time) is where you gain the most visionary inspirations!
peace to your whirlwinding heart -
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Re: open your horizons...
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 12:00 PM<<the union between particle and wave>>
Yes, but when it comes to quantum physics, I like thoughts that are based on data rather than pure speculation. Even if the thoughts lead to places we cannot imagine, like the 6th or the 10th dimension (which are supposed to be very very very very small).
When considering quantum physics, I think I would prefer to rely on results from a particle collider than the results of peering into my own eyelids.
Peace nonetheless. You seem like a very nice person.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 3:39 PMI'm jumping in on this discussion without having read the intelligentinfinity.org material.
Regarding the appropriation of scientific notions by New Agey fads and fashions : These fads come and go, and hopefully the introduction of scientific concepts widens the horizon of people who rely on these philosophies to navigate through their lifes. Conversely, the parallels to be drawn between contemporary science and ancient spiritual traditions should inspire scientists to look beyond their data and numbers.
Science can become someone's structuring belief system just as much as any religion.
Reliable particle colliders ? Sure, but remember that all mathematical equations are just another language representing phenomenon. More neutral perhaps, but still an abstraction.
Peering behind one's eyelids is not a methodologically sound way of proving anything, except your own motivations. Many great discoveries were the consequences of intuitive thought or contemplation/meditation (Newton and the apple). The scientific community is run rampant by huge egos, and one thing that wouldn't hurt is a bit of introspection. Moreover, a sound methodology/research is a humble one, that realizes the scope of it's limits. Science, by it's very nature, leaves no period at the end of it's answers. Discoveries always lead to more questions.
Science and spirituality/religion or two ways of approaching one reality. They demand different things of their adherents on a superficial level, but any spiritual seeker needs a heavy dose of scepticism and a rigorous approach to the observation of their practice. Scientists need an ever expanding philosophical horizon, if only to make sense on a personal level of the deepening of verifiable theories.
But who cares wether you titillate yourself with wavicules or mantras, as long as you allow others the space to enjoy their ice cream. The chasm between science and religion in not an inherent one, it is born of history and human tendency to dogmatism, scientific just as much as religious.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 3:47 PMI wonder if Feynman would have discovered QED had he been a religionist. I'm thinking he wouldn't have been Feynman under those circumstances -- an intense sceptic, unwilling to accept any slipshod shortcuts to "truth." And I say that as a religionist.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 4:15 PMI agree very much with everything you said. I do also want to add though, that we weren't talking about religion in general, but those very new agey fads and fashions which seem to come and go every time the wind shifts direction. I've never heard christians talking about 'quantum communion,' or Jews speaking of 'quantum Chanukah.' I've never heard Muslims discussing a 'tachyon jihad'... (sweeps across the world at faster than the speed of light?) or a preacher speaking of the Holy Spirit as, "like, you know, it's this energy that really, like, has this high vibrational frequency, which can you know, like, raise the vibrational frequency of the whole planet, and like totally bring us up to our true evolutionary potential... "
I've sometimes thought of science as a religion--but if science is a religion it is of the gnostic variety rather than the faith based variety. If you think about it, religions can be divided into two main types--the faith based (if you read this, it is true) and the gnosis based (if you do this, you will see.) Science is a method which basicly says, 'If you repeat this experiment accurately you should get the same results others got.' I.e.-- 'If you do this you will see.' Science is a gnostic religion--it's based on method and observation rather than faith and belief.
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NEW ENERGY MOVEMENT
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 4:48 AM
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 8:42 PM>>"Science and spirituality/religion or two ways of approaching one reality."
I think this is the grand fallacy of the ages. Spirituality/religion does not provide us any useful information about reality. The reason for this is very simple. Even if one could connect with some ultimate source of knowledge, some God, or group conciousness or however you concieve it, there is no way to validate whatever information you think you have gained. Since it all occurs within one's own mind, it quite impossible to know whether it is all a product of your own mind or something outside it. The processs is never repeatable, testable, or capable of being confirmed by anyone else. If data cannot be validated, it is really of no use to anyone. Just as any scientific experiment that cannot be repeated is of no value, all spiritual insights provide nothing useful for helping us to understand reality.
Personally, I do not believe sprituality/religion provide any way of approaching reality except the reality inside your own brain, but even if it did in fact connect us to real sources of knowledge, it would not matter- the information would still be useless to us. -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 4:53 AMReligion: NO....Spirituality: YES
I am reading a book right now called the Tao of Physics and its great. :-) -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 5:44 PMLana,
Well, I'm curious, WHAT exactly is mark comings' new idea? perhaps if you communicated in the language we speak here in this tribe (that of physics and mathematics) we would better understand you. When you speak of "love, nothing but love", I can't think of much else besides the moonies of the 70s.
I would reccomend for you a book that will introduce you to the philosophy behind science and how science interacts with fields such as ethics and morality, religion, and so-called "pseudo-sciences".
www.amazon.com/exec/obido...441-8422406
I think that if you read this book, you'd understand why we think the way we do in this tribe. It's true that science is not perfect in practice, but we do have ideals that we try to live up to, just like anyone else.
As a science book, I haven't heard great things about the tao of physics, but I do hear it's an interesting read. I'm glad you enjoy it. However, for a really great read, I'd suggest the tao of programming :-p.
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A master was explaining the nature of Tao to one of his novices. "The Tao is embodied in all software -- regardless of how insignificant," said the master.
"Is the Tao in a hand-held calculator?" asked the novice. "It is," came the reply.
"Is the Tao in a video game?" continued the novice. "It is even in a video game," said the master.
"And is the Tao in the DOS for a personal computer?" The master coughed and shifted his position slightly. "The lesson is over for today," he said. -
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 5:53 PMokay, so i read a few summarizing principle about this new energy campain and it appears that they seem to be using virtual particles (hypothesized by feynmann) as proof that our ideas about energy and space might be wrong.
Unfortunately, the choice of words, in my opinion, dectracts from what the message is. I think that it's perfectly feasible to find more efficient energy conversion techniques and to be able to harness energy from sources we never before imagined. The problem is that the choice of words makes it sound like the new age pseudoscience that is just not very respected in the scientific community.
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Re: Intelligent Infinity
Wed, September 28, 2005 - 6:38 PMif you like the Dao of Physics, try the Dancin Wu Li Masters by Gary Zukov. the two biooks were recommended to me as a pair and I enjoyed "Wu Li" more than "Dao" but if you are already well versed in quantum mechanics, this may not be the book for you.
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