Holograms and energy

topic posted Fri, April 4, 2008 - 1:29 PM by  Nick
Hi everyone,

I am not a quantum physicist or a physicist at all for that matter (other than that I AM matter.. lol)..

Anyway I am currently writing a book which touches on quantum physics and I had a thought which I would like to get some input into...
n.b. I am fully prepared to get shot down in flames in a million different ways here.. lol... Its an exciting idea none the less.

OK, so we have E=MC2
Which can be written M=E/C2

Which means that any matter (mass) is equal to it's energy value divided by the speed of light squared.

So effectively physical reality can be said to be created by the underlying energy configuration of primal, universal energy stepped down in relation to the speed of one light beam multiplying the speed of another light beam.

This sounds quite a bit like the way a hologram is created.

The physical object to be mapped is the matter (M).
The 2 light beams provide the two 'speeds of light' (C2).
When they combine they can be said to produce a product (the mathematical term for the answer produced by multiplying two numbers together).
So the core energy of creation is stepped through a kind of interference pattern (C2) and produces the physical matter/object instead of getting a holographic 'ghost' object we get the real object in real physical matter.

As for what form the interference pattern takes in the physical reality version.. I guess that depends on how much your consciousness 'interferes' with other consciousness!

So I am basically saying that I concur with the holographic metaverse ideas and am wondering if it can be related this directly to Einstein's equation.

Any thoughts?

peacefully,
nick
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Nick
United Kingdom
  • Re: Holograms and energy

    Fri, April 4, 2008 - 3:11 PM
    You were doing fine until you got here:

    "So effectively physical reality can be said to be created by the underlying energy configuration of primal, universal energy stepped down in relation to the speed of one light beam multiplying the speed of another light beam."

    The E=mc^2 relation comes from the special theory of relativity and doesn't rely in anyway upon two photons interacting (at least not in the way you imply). c is a physical constant, the maximum velocity (in a local frame) if you will. The vacuum speed of light has a value of c, which is why people often refer to c as the speed of light.

    In a allegorical sense, yes quantum mechanics is the result of interfering waves but the rules for how they interact is much much more complex then the rules for how photons interfere with each other.

    There are a lot of different people working on advanced physics where they are trying to describe the universe as a hologram but again what they are doing has nothing to do with what you have in mind.

    My best suggestion is that you omit any discussion of quantum physics and relativity until you learn more about both subjects. The public will not served by yet another book on these subjects by people who have a poor understanding of them. I know that is harsh but you asked for feedback, so I give you honest feedback.
    • Re: Holograms and energy

      Fri, April 4, 2008 - 4:10 PM
      haha, thanks Troy,

      I have no intention of writing about anything that I don't understand and haven't written anything that mentions qp yet.
      I very much doubt I will be writing anything that even vaguely approaches a physics equation.

      I should have pointed out that I am writing from the perspective of an interconnected and intelligent universe of information where two ideas/patterns in reality do not need 'rules' in order to reflect each other... Something physics in general doesn't really get yet. This is partially from personal experience and partially from validations from established scientists in specific ways.


      So if there is not an accepted and obvious way that these two patterns within reality are directly related from a traditional physics perspective then either it is of no use or there is an element missing in the comparison I am making.

      hmm...

      thanks again,
      nick
      • Re: Holograms and energy

        Fri, April 4, 2008 - 8:37 PM
        You see, Nick, this is the whole point Troy is making about "learning more about both".
        You say, "I have no intention of writing about anything that I don't understand ...” but that is the very point that if you relay/mention/parallel-with something, QP in our case, you need to have at least a Basic understanding of it.
        Currently, what you know, or better said, "think you know" has been acquired from the sources that did not have a connection with science to begin with, I mean the spiritual, conscious, etc, etc, part of it. All you know is what they said, but how do you know they themselves understood what they are talking about? If you had at least a basic idea, without even a more or less deep understanding of what QP actually is, it would help you in your undertaking and, in some lucky cases, even direct you toward a discovery of something new for yourself.
        I, for obvious reasons, cannot and could not "post" here a crash course on QP, it is impossible, not to mention I am myself in a semi-catatonic state yet, and ba-a-arely, barely beginning to come to senses, metaphorically speaking.
        In other words, Nick, and everyone else outside the field of hard science (Troy thank you for the term), hear me out my dear dear people, I love you all, and want you to be happy, I truly do, but - Quantum Physics is NOT what you all think it is, folks. It has nothing to do with no conscience, spirituality, "interdimentional chakra-gene-sutra-svati transformation", or omni-present irreversible subatomic universal phasotronic synchronization of the divine re-incarnation of obscenely holysome brahmanic interplanetary consulate.
        I know, the current state of affairs on this planet is designed to present elemental and common things as a comatosely unachievable don't-even-think-to-dare-to-dare-be-lucky-you-have-anything undertaking to keep the top "breathable" so that there is some kind of order (AND opportunity to make, at times, crazy money, AND leave the access to this same feeder ONLY to the good sheep and your own family).
        But, no matter who you are, or what one's social status is, folks, - We Must educate ourselves before we begin to attempt understanding any-thing.
        At school, one has to take 3 semesters of Calculus based Physics, 2 (but preferably 3) Calculus courses, a course of Linear Algebra, at least one course of Differential Equations (and I am not mentioning the 4 courses of pre-requisite Math BEFORE you get to the first course of Calculus, btw), - all that just TO BEGIN the basic course of Quantum Physics.
        ...
        There is NO OTHER WAY to get an understanding of Quantum Physics. And that is just on the first, lowest, level.


        I, from the kindest and friendliest of hearts, would recommend (to everyone on the quest to understand Science AND Spirituality), to read, at least 2-3 POPULAR books with basic, at least verbal explanation of some math and physics concepts, before setting on the path of search for the Truth. Pure scientific (popular/not-too-technical) books.


        From The Bottom of my Heart,
        Serge.

        • Re: Holograms and energy

          Fri, April 4, 2008 - 9:38 PM
          .....and there is another perspective which i suggest, so that inquiring minds can leave all the quantum techies "alone"...... Study up on Aetheric Torsional (aber vortexual) Hyperdimensional physics.... which recent astronomical observations, and very ordinary sensibilities, have given undeniable Weight to ...... far above the heroic efforts to make particle physics work (on something more than a microcosmic, vaguely general but not in all circumstances, and "special case" level of functionality) by morphing it into this thing called quantum physics.... and other spinoffs.
          You need all the technical background if you want to follow the technical approach... which is (technically speaking) shortsighted in certain ways. The 'denial of any possible access without edu-credentials' is a conceit that is not particular to physics.... but pervasive in every field with any technical component. (I'm not a trained architect, yet I am creating architecture that is infused with creativity and originality..... all the while classically in touch with what is known as the 'spirit of architecture'.) This "inaccessibility without extreme effort and grueling study" might hold true if those in a particular technical level of expertise were somehow actually "on the singular cutting edge" of everything related to the study...... bu that isn't necessarily the case.... as there is much more than the very limited technical approach to this. The scope of Physics ranges from the minuscule to the monstrous.... and, although we see the quantum sorts of effects mostly evident at the micro-scale....... this scale has to be more fully related into all other levels of physics (and Being) for it to progress beyond its own narrowness of focus.
          But this tribe is run by, and dominated by, a philosophy strictly of highly trained professionals..... so I suggest a referral to Aetheric Sciences tribe (which is at present biding its time until membership grows and is ready to discuss some basic issues). Aetheric Sciences encompasses the quantum physics issues, but from a torsional, hyperdimensional perspective in which consciousness is not somehow disregarded.
          • Re: Holograms and energy

            Sat, April 5, 2008 - 10:59 AM
            Hi Leslie,

            Thanks a lot for your input. I have studied a tiny amount of torsional ideas... and am personally aware of hyperdimensional physics to some degree for many reasons.. I will be sure to move more in that direction (I am learning about a large variety of topics and have been for some time... another to bump up the list I guess!).

            I completely concur about the importance of remaining open with regards our learning.. I do have a 'receipt' from a university.. I studied Computer science and while I have huge respect for academia since I understand it's motivations and mindset to some degree, I can also see that many (most) of the software inventions which I make the most use of were not created by academics, indeed they were often created by the rebels. The most talented music producer I have ever been in the studio with (in terms of having an immediate knowledge and connection to the music) had never been taught any music as far as I know.

            thankfully, with regards QP there are enough experiments out there which point the way that I am personally subscribed to if one actually seeks them out.

            I wish to state as clearly as I can that I have absolutely no issue with quantum physics, physicists or academia... We each walk our own paths and that is our right, assisting, learning and teaching where we can. I simply wish to also state that no matter who we are or where we are, 'WE ALL HAVE MUCH TO LEARN'... never forget that!

            Peacefully,
            Nick
        • Re: Holograms and energy

          Sat, April 5, 2008 - 10:49 AM
          "if you relay/mention/parallel-with something, QP in our case, you need to have at least a Basic understanding of it. "

          I believe I do. If I walk into a room of people who are staring at a big red cube out of a window and and I come into the room and say.. no, no.. that isn't a red cube... its a cube with 4 red sides, 1 blue side and one side that is undetermined... Some people might think 'This guy simply doesn't understand the red cube'... In truth it means that I have viewed it from 'the other side' and seen that one side is blue. There is disagreement between us without further discussion.. The discussion in yours and my case has not happened... You guys haev simply assumed that my understanding falls into a specific box which you have thrown others who have commented about these ideas into.
          Study of the 3 dimensional nature of planet Earth was once more similar to study of a pancake than the planet we study now.. lol..

          "if you relay/mention/parallel-with something, QP in our case, you need to have at least a Basic understanding of it. "

          Shouts out from inside big imaginary box: How do YOU KNOW THIS? and why is your idea about me any different to the idea you say I have about quantum physics?

          As it happens I have studied as much science as anything else.. I simply haven't studied Quantum physics in the way that it is TAUGHT.

          "All you know is what they said, but how do you know they themselves understood what they are talking about?"

          An excellent question, in fact I am reversing this on to you.. My own answer is that 'all trues are true in an infinite universe'.. Thus we all know what we are talking about and we all see this ideas reflected to us in ways which reinforce our beliefs... Doesn't make one more true than the other.. If anything it is a simple act of respect of perspectives other than your own. If science can be said to be 'the art of finding interactions with physical reality which can be repeated' then I am confident that everything I have studied and concur with IS science since it already has been successfully repeated.. Note that I haven't mentioned one name or experiment yet to which I refer.

          "- Quantum Physics is NOT what you all think it is, folks. It has nothing to do with no conscience, spirituality, "interdimentional chakra-gene-sutra-svati transformation", or omni-present irreversible subatomic universal phasotronic synchronization of the divine re-incarnation of obscenely holysome brahmanic interplanetary consulate. "

          LOL.. I BELIEVE I understand your perspective in the sense that QP makes not direct and general attempt to relate to anything such as
          consciousnes within it's accepted definition. However, to go back to metaphors, a miner is not a gold miner until he/she strikes gold...
          Yet from a certain perspective he/she was a gold miner all along...

          I will also point out that your defintion of 'omni-present' is somewhat short, since omni-present means 'present EVERYWHERE simultaniously'... Thus includes QP within itself.. ;)

          "We Must educate ourselves before we begin to attempt understanding any-thing. "
          This is somewhat limiting.... You are basically saying "Go and understand things by learning/experience/education before you understand things."... You are saying that I cannot understand something accurately until I have been taught it.. In many cases this is true in that I am unlikely to know how to bake a nice apple pie until I have been taught or have spent a lot of time experimenting... In the sense of QP however it's very nature touches on my every moment of existence, thus I CANNOT FAIL to experience and experiment with aspects of it's nature. ALL A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE. ALL A PERSPECTIVE OF MATTER.

          "At school, one has to take 3 semesters of Calculus based Physics, 2 (but preferably 3) Calculus courses, a course of Linear Algebra, at least one course of Differential Equations (and I am not mentioning the 4 courses of pre-requisite Math BEFORE you get to the first course of Calculus, btw), - all that just TO BEGIN the basic course of Quantum Physics.
          ...
          There is NO OTHER WAY to get an understanding of Quantum Physics. And that is just on the first, lowest, level. "

          -> Yes, which is why I came here to ask you people who have done this a question which relates to the things you are doing.. Since I have not studied these formulas myself I did the wise thing and came and asked people who did before I invented something in your language which you have no use for. Understand?

          "There is NO OTHER WAY to get an understanding of Quantum Physics. And that is just on the first, lowest, level."

          -> THEN YOU WILL NEVER FIND IT!

          "I, from the kindest and friendliest of hearts, would recommend (to everyone on the quest to understand Science AND Spirituality), to read, at least 2-3 POPULAR books with basic, at least verbal explanation of some math and physics concepts, before setting on the path of search for the Truth. Pure scientific (popular/not-too-technical) books. "

          -> Thankyou very much Serge, I agree.

          From all of my heart,
          Much love to ALL

          Nick
          • Re: Holograms and energy

            Sat, April 5, 2008 - 12:28 PM
            Nick,

            As you say, we haven't discussed your "Red Cube." So far all you've put forth is an idea relating holograms with E=mc^2, which simply does work the way you described it (of course that is dependent on my understanding of what you wrote). As for the rest of your ideas, I've no clue what they are, so I can't have any issue with them. Leslie and his ideas, on the other hand, are a different story....
          • Re: Holograms and energy

            Sat, April 5, 2008 - 1:02 PM
            Oops, my second quote of serge was meant to quote:
            "Currently, what you know, or better said, "think you know" has been acquired from the sources that did not have a connection with science to begin with"..
          • Re: Holograms and energy

            Sat, April 5, 2008 - 1:47 PM
            Nick,
            You took it exactly the way I suspected you would, despite my attempts to present my point in a nice way.

            It was not shout out of anything, the capitalized letters mean accent on the particular words in a sentence (whoever decided all that time ago to consider capitalization a shout was a fracking idiot!)

            An EXCLAMATION SIGN IS WHAT WAS DESIGNED TO EXPRESS SHOUTING, SCREAMING, YELLING, OR ANY OTHER KIND OF "HIGH" EMOTIONS, ETC., always! The particular aggressiveness, or intensity, meant with this sign is to be understood from the context of the message.
            Who was that idiot who spat this "do not capitalize your letters it means shouting", who was that cretin, I don't know. Now, the whole world learned it, and it brings even more discord and misunderstanding in the, already, difficult task of communicating with typing rather than voice, intonation, mimics, when everything is clear.

            Nick, you are so used to everybody behave like an animal online that you automatically assumed you will be attacked; this is clearly stated in your initial posting that began this thread. I gave you personal, very thoughtful advice from the point of view of the one who IS actually in the field (well, making his first steps). The reason why I implied/know/"can see right away" that you do not understand the whole point of what Physics is, is because your point failed the very first test on whether somebody knows, or not what he is talking about. The test is this - "Judge people by their deeds." If we apply this to our case, everything you mentioned in your posting clearly stated that you have never studied this topic on a serious level, more to that, you have been diverted from that by all these charlatans who shit you (all) in the heads with there ludicrous horseshit about some chimerical "quantum consciousness", "quantum energial chakralial inductional links binding the whole universe" and other shitful horse-bull like that, with the only intent to get money from you (all) that you would spend on their ridiculous and stupid books and scents (that will open you quantum chakras or whatever the hell else they will, if you breath them in "right" at the Quantum Moment of Universal Life and shit, while saying "Bumbah-Bumbah, I want to fly, Bah-bah-boo-boo", which will ultimately save you (all) and release you into the, yes, Quantum Activated interdimentional realm of Unity with Gods. (ending the sentence with a pathos)

            Holy f*%$, man. Did you really let them get you that bad?



            Fantastic analogy with the cube, thanks man, (it is so stolen, ah'm gonna be using it here and there, oh boy.)

            You are my tribe-bud, Nick, and as I do to all my friends, even those I have never met in person, I care about them. So, when I see what is being done to them, and their minds, by all that slimy scum that sucks like leaches money and the best years of lives from people with their stupid shit that I have described already, multiple times, that indignates and infuriates me; when I see this happen to good, smart, intelligent, people who could have had much better lives than what they do if they could only shake off this vicious obscurantism off of their heads and minds.

            Leave this crap, man, you don't need this shit. God, if you only knew how full and interesting life is, all around us! You are only 29 years old. Leave it, do something great with your life, challenge yourself. Everyday! I went back to school at 31 (well, got the very first opportunity to do this since I left it at 23, can you imagine) - I have never been as happy as I am right now! (or since this: people.tribe.net/c88f1207-...57ca64b6ba ) My life is so full and so purposeful, again. I have something, and someone, to live for, Again. My head is almost exploding from all the amount of homework and books I have to study and read, I haven't slept, normally, in weeks, but now, at this age, I can see that, what I couldn't see and understand back then, when I was a "punk" - the incredibility of being able to see AND actually Live a full Life, as it was meant to be seen and lived. I cannot even begin to describe you what it feels like. It is a never-ending, indescribable, everyday, everysecond AWE.

            Shake it off, all this crap, shake it off, man. Burn that trash, and forget about it. You like meditating - meditate, you like being a vegi - be one! Heck, it IS healthy, I know, I tried it for a year, long time ago. (my girlfriend loved it even more so, if you know what mean)
            Come back to Life and live it to the fullest, you've tried this way, now try the other, and nobody says you have to become a PH.D.. The reason why the majority of people fall into this trap is because they want to "eat the fish AND return the bones" figuratively speaking. They want to know what the science is, but they don't want to do a shit about it, and when they try, at the very first difficulty they are like Homer: "Ah! Difficult!" (running and hiding behind the couch in the ostrich manner), and then beat themselves into the cowardly - "the high Quantum Energies of the Universal Intergalactic symposium of Divine ambassadors (I gotta come up with some new stuff, this ambassador shit is getting worn out already). And what they get from this? - Of course, there will always be someone who would want to make/sell them, some “balsam” for the "wounds of cowardess" of theirs and readily offer them this horseshit they pile up in the form of books, stupidity and wicked pseudo-philosophies, in order to mess with their heads and down them even deeper into the darkness.

            How can one prevent this done to him? - Hard, hard work, and persistence. Yes, hard, hard work and persistence. And I will repeat - THIS IS THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY way.

            Life has only three ways to be lived - Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The Way. And at some point in lives, each and everyone, Each and Everyone(!), is faced with this question. And we all know that it is true, if we have enough guts to admit it, just to ourselves to begin with.
            The good thing in all of this is that, after a certain interval(s), (of living in cowardess and disgrace between the running away from facing the facts of life) everyone, EVERYone, gets another shot/swing at the same point, only at a different level that time around, and if he runs away again, he loops into another cycle of personal misery and disgrace, until the next time, only that time will be at a much lower level, because this is a fail-safe set up mechanism, (of the Universe) how to separate the weeds from the wheat, that never fails. You, yourself, (meaning, people in general) will choose your place in this, well, Universe. And there is NO(!)one to blame, only oneSELF. That is why you see some people progressing in their lives, some regressing, some successful, some, well.... There is certain level of, let's call it, "involvement with life" that would keep one just at the "schnook" level, which can be a fairly normal life, from the material point of view. That would be called Existence. However, it is called Living when a human being is not just living "by bread alone" (this will give a new, correct meaning to the words). The difference between Living and Existing is the extent the human being is "pushing" himself in his Personal development. And THAT is what these words, actually mean.

            I wish you well, bud, and that is why I put so much energy and time in all this.

            Sincerest Regards, man.

            Your good bud,
            Serge.
            • Re: Holograms and energy

              Sat, April 5, 2008 - 2:13 PM
              Hard work, persistence........................... oh, right, And intelligence..... which is not necessarily the province of those institutions who claim to offer the one and only way towards developing it. That's all about Following.... going back to school and being a faithful, loyal believer in that way. It does have some merit, I'll grant you, but some are better at leading, and don't we wish that those who need to get out of the way, of natural talent and insightful intuition, would simply do so?
            • Re: Holograms and energy

              Sat, April 5, 2008 - 2:54 PM
              The thing I find so funny about all these beliefs based on "Eastern thought" (read: Hindu and Buddhist primarily, with a bit of Taoism and Jainism thrown in for good measure) is that the Dalai Lama, who is very well trained in the subject, says that when in doubt go with science (and he means the institutions which Leslie calls close minded) over religious belief.
              • Re: Holograms and energy

                Sat, April 5, 2008 - 2:56 PM
                There is no one right way as far as I can tell..

                go where you like!
                • Re: Holograms and energy

                  Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:14 PM
                  That is true. The road that goes in circles until one detours onto a different road is no less right then the road that leads directly to where one wishes to go.

                  What we call science is testable and practical - we can use it to accurately predict the outcome of experiments and to build useful objects (cars, planes, medicine, etc.) that behave as we wish them to. It was never designed to with those things that aren't testable in a way that everyone can agree upon the result (issues of spirituality come to mind). For those things that science doesn't cover, it makes no comment. Concerned about the existence of "the divine," science won't give you any guidance.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: Holograms and energy

                    Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:20 PM
                    Thankfully the definition of science is as dynamic as the reality it seeks to explain...

                    The definition is changing as I type.

                    8)
                    • Re: Holograms and energy

                      Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:32 PM
                      Why is it that I see the coming of another dark age ruled by superstition and dogma?
                      • Re: Holograms and energy

                        Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:52 PM
                        Because you have magic in your eyes and you can see for miles and miles?
                        sorry that's who not why.

                        and what do you mean by another?
                        • Re: Holograms and energy

                          Sat, April 5, 2008 - 4:03 PM
                          "and what do you mean by another?"

                          As in a period of time when rational thought, education and technologies (plus a few other factors) decline. Similar to what happened in Western Europe after the fail of the Western Roman Empire. And I do mean declined, not disappeared, for those factors mentioned they did in fact become less common in Western Europe.
                      • Re: Holograms and energy

                        Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:56 PM
                        Exactly. (Troy)
                        Haven't you (all) noticed that as soon as the level of education of a (ay) society drops, obscurantism and darkness immediately move right in. Look around the world, it is RIGHT NOW, AS WE SPEAK, IS living in this very darkness. It is right under your noses and you still can't see that. It is RIGHT here, right now, screaming in your faces, ON THE DAMN TELEVISION 'TILL YOU START CONVULSIVELY VOMIT! Yet, you still, at times with obsessive obstinacy, insist that it is not so.
                        Another one, the absurdity of this, what do you call it, this... design-something cretinism. I mean... ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah!!!! (screaming his lungs out with his hands grasping the sides of his head). I, personally, never even heard of it exist until I visited some places around (let's put it this way). In some places, far away, if you asked of something like this, people wouldn't even dignify the question with actually stopping to think to understand what there are being asked, if you understand my metaphor.
                        ...

                        Luckily, Troy, there are places where reason prevails. I personally know them, a few actually. We are in Luck this time around. Darkness won't happen again.
                        • Re: Holograms and energy

                          Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:58 PM
                          Oh, boy, has the thread picked up the pace? :)
                          While I was composing the answer to one reply we got five posted. Now, mine seems out of phase, so to speak. :))
                        • Re: Holograms and energy

                          Sat, April 5, 2008 - 4:06 PM
                          "It is right under your noses and you still can't see that. It is RIGHT here, right now, screaming in your faces, ON THE DAMN TELEVISION 'TILL YOU START CONVULSIVELY VOMIT!"

                          I wouldn't know, I don't own a TV :)
                          • Re: Holograms and energy

                            Sat, April 5, 2008 - 4:19 PM
                            You are not missing that much, without it. (Troy)
                            :)


                            P.S. I have to put the name in parentheses, because I don't know what number will be "assigned" to my reply by the time I finish it and click "Submit". Now, how crazy is THAT? :))))))))))))))))))
              • Re: Holograms and energy

                Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:37 PM
                When in doubt.... meaning "when reliant upon faith". I have no significant need for belief, as I am working from a very large body of direct experience (which Informs what uncertainties i am working towards a fuller understanding of)...... a huge continuum of consciousness and conscious evolution that was established before I ever undertook to incarnate into this life. Either you get it, or you fail to get it. My best efforts to present it are bound to have mixed results, which I am simultaneously training myself to become more emotionally detached from. You can continue to work from the popular 20th century models of physics.... but that's a pretty "hard row to hoe"..... and I am divesting myself from its narrow focus of purposeful intolerance towards all other possibilities that don't favor strictly materialistic manipulations. Constrained technologies (controlled by corporate hierarchies) deny common humanity the empowerments of universal technologies.... which is why the 20th century versions of physics were funded and promoted.... they Exclude all but those who can fund (or be funded by) their "special technological approaches". It's a game of power manipulation, and denial to the masses of humanity, who are kept in servitude to things like oil companies and governments. The governments (governments behind the facades of governments) possess extremely advanced physics, which they sequester to themselves.... and even the well-intended work of people here is denied access to universal technologies such as free energy..................................... but most are unaware.... but I'm not, so I might get a bit flared-up over it from time to time when it seems utterly hopeless that even the bright people here might begin to connect the dots.
                • Re: Holograms and energy

                  Sat, April 5, 2008 - 3:52 PM
                  No, "when in doubt," in this case, refers to when one is trying to explain how the world works... but the point is likely lost on you Leslie.

                  Many of the things you talk about deal with spirituality and thus are beyond science to address (personal experience being subjective, thus two people can never be certain that they are truly talking about the same thing). There is nothing wrong with spirituality and for many it is a useful thing to think about, but its not science. We've had that conversation before and I will not have it again.
                • Re: Holograms and energy

                  Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:29 PM
                  "" Constrained technologies (controlled by corporate hierarchies) deny common humanity the empowerments of universal technologies.... which is why the 20th century versions of physics were funded and promoted.... they Exclude all but those who can fund (or be funded by) their "special technological approaches". It's a game of power manipulation, and denial to the masses of humanity, who are kept in servitude to things like oil companies and governments. The governments (governments behind the facades of governments) possess extremely advanced physics, which they sequester to themselves.... and even the well-intended work of people here is denied access to universal technologies such as free energy..................................... ""

                  Leslies right, the direction and tone of the physics is like any other institution that we have in our culture. The funding is placed in endevours which cant threaten the dominate power paradigm. Why for example are we using petrolium to power automobiles? Can you honestly tell me its still the best form of energy available since the turn of the century? We are told far too often what is and isnt possible, our reality is clearly defined for us. This dogma leaves no room for creativity and those who dare to think outside of this box are labeled as charletains very quickly.
            • all caps, is called 'shouting' whether we like it or not, HTH

              caps are usually associated with control, and rambling or excessive capitalization can be impolite if it does not have some clear purpose.


              it can represent the need for _"attention"_, to bring something unusual and important into focus...

              it can represent the need for _"caution"_, as an indicator that an overlooked detail may cause an operation to fail catastrophically...

              or it can represent a _"warning"_, the legal notice that some issue may cause injury or loss to property or life.


              it can also represent the use of a designator (from a list) or that a symbol sequence is an acronym...


              in excess, the confusion between emphasis and the more technical liabilities can cause readers to lose interest.
            • Re: Holograms and energy

              Sat, April 5, 2008 - 7:46 PM
              Serge,

              I always appreciate niceness... As for capitals and getting frustrated with the new standards.. no need.

              "Nick, you are so used to everybody behave like an animal online that you automatically assumed you will be attacked;"

              -> No, I simply knew that I was not writing in a way which the average physicist I have ever met would immediately warm to. I am not frightened of attack.

              "The test is this - "Judge people by their deeds." If we apply this to our case, everything you mentioned in your posting clearly stated that you have never studied this topic on a serious level,"

              -> If you had looked closely at my post you would have seen that I said clearly that I am not a quantum physicist.

              "Holy f*%$, man. Did you really let them get you that bad? "

              -> I am looking but I'm pretty sure the box you claim to see around me is not here. I can make a noise like a pigeon if it makes you feel any happier?

              "God, if you only knew how full and interesting life is, all around us!"

              -> Erm, yes, I exist too... what specifically am I missing about life?
              (Is this really happening? A quantum physicist coaching an artist about 'getting out more and experiencing life'??? LOL)... nothing personal of course, just surreal according to my unnecessary expectations! Well done!

              "I cannot even begin to describe you what it feels like. It is a never-ending, indescribable, everyday, everysecond AWE."

              -> congratulations on living your excitement! What more do you need? I am doing the same, believe me.

              "How can one prevent this done to him? - Hard, hard work, and persistence. Yes, hard, hard work and persistence. And I will repeat - THIS IS THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY way. "

              -> erm.. I may be wrong but am I interpreting correctly that you are saying that if I put lots of hard work into studying quantum mechanics I will have a successful and joy filled life? And that is the only way.. !?!?

              *Scratches head*

              I think from what you wrote next you were suggesting that actually any kind of hard work is sufficient as long as its hard...

              Wow, way to create resistance!

              Bon voyage,
              Nick