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Vatican Delegation Visits CERN
Posted on: Saturday, 6 June 2009, 07:55 CDT
Declaring that true faith has no quarrel with science, a senior Vatican delegation visited the CERN nuclear physics lab on the Swiss-French border this week.
Vatican City’s governor, Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo, represented the Roman Catholic Church, and toured the facility and its 17-mile proton accelerator, the world's largest nuclear physics laboratory.
The delegation embraced any breakthroughs scientists could provide on understanding the basis of the universe, saying such discoveries would also advance religion.
"The Church never fears the truth of science, because we are convinced that all truth comes from God," said Lajolo on Thursday in Geneva.
"Science will help our faith to purify itself. And faith at the same time will be able to broaden the horizons of man, who cannot just enclose himself in the horizons of science,” the AP quoted him as saying.
Lajolo’s comments come one day after visiting the lab, where he received a crash course in particle physics from Edward Witten, a professor at the School of Natural Sciences at the Institute for Advanced Study in New Jersey. The institute is leading the charge to unify Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity with quantum mechanics, and CERN's atom smasher is seen as critical in this mission.
Physicists seek to use the $10 billion machine to crash protons from hydrogen atoms into each other at high energy, then record what particles are produced in order to better understand the makeup of the universe.
CERN’s initial startup last year set the project back one year, but it is expected to resume work again this fall.
Researchers hope the collisions will reveal on a very small scale what happened one-trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, which many scientists believe was the massive explosion that formed the universe. According to the theory, the universe was quickly cooling at that stage and matter was changing rapidly.
The CERN experiment could "correct some of our opinions" about scripture and faith, said Lajolo, adding that nothing in science could contradict the Holy Scriptures since both were rooted in God.
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Vatican Delegation Visits CERN
Posted on: Saturday, 6 June 2009, 07:55 CDT
Declaring that true faith has no quarrel with science, a senior Vatican delegation visited the CERN nuclear physics lab on the Swiss-French border this week.
Vatican City’s governor, Cardinal Giovanni Lajolo, represented the Roman Catholic Church, and toured the facility and its 17-mile proton accelerator, the world's largest nuclear physics laboratory.
The delegation embraced any breakthroughs scientists could provide on understanding the basis of the universe, saying such discoveries would also advance religion.
"The Church never fears the truth of science, because we are convinced that all truth comes from God," said Lajolo on Thursday in Geneva.
"Science will help our faith to purify itself. And faith at the same time will be able to broaden the horizons of man, who cannot just enclose himself in the horizons of science,” the AP quoted him as saying.
Lajolo’s comments come one day after visiting the lab, where he received a crash course in particle physics from Edward Witten, a professor at the School of Natural Sciences at the Institute for Advanced Study in New Jersey. The institute is leading the charge to unify Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity with quantum mechanics, and CERN's atom smasher is seen as critical in this mission.
Physicists seek to use the $10 billion machine to crash protons from hydrogen atoms into each other at high energy, then record what particles are produced in order to better understand the makeup of the universe.
CERN’s initial startup last year set the project back one year, but it is expected to resume work again this fall.
Researchers hope the collisions will reveal on a very small scale what happened one-trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, which many scientists believe was the massive explosion that formed the universe. According to the theory, the universe was quickly cooling at that stage and matter was changing rapidly.
The CERN experiment could "correct some of our opinions" about scripture and faith, said Lajolo, adding that nothing in science could contradict the Holy Scriptures since both were rooted in God.
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Re: CERN visited by Vatican delegation
Tue, June 23, 2009 - 2:57 PMstrange, yet not-so-surprising, bedfellows .... in the scope of what some of us are aware regarding both Camps (adjacent to the same muddied lake) of Framed-Thinking and Institutionalized Intercessorism operative within the clouds of symbologically-induced techno-emperical-authority-mongerings ..... while what is so clearly beholdable escapes the grasp of what is so plainly beholden-to -
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Re: CERN visited by Vatican delegation
Tue, June 23, 2009 - 3:38 PMThen there is this case of Georges Lemaître, crossing both world's...
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Re: CERN visited by Vatican delegation
Tue, June 23, 2009 - 3:59 PMTrained by the Jesuits, no less.......... the sort of scientific-mercenary arm of the Catholic Church. The Big-Bang theory suits a certain psycho-theological orientation of singularity control-sourcing. Yet far more elegant-sublime explanations are largely (in the officially supported-funded versions of science) unexplored (as the BB theory is heavily Promoted as a Foregone Conclusion) and politics-of-math has succeeded in a policy of block-maneuverings embedded with the active intent to suppress broader scopeings-of-thought relative to cosmological and quantumological co-explorations. -
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 10:35 AMWhat are those "far more elegant-sublime explanations", Leslie?
You keep talking about them, but have never offered an example, (as of yet).
I have time now, (it is summer), I would love to read a couple of papers about them.
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 11:20 AMSome keywords to google are hyperdimensional physics, aetheric, vortexual, torsional
www.divinecosmos.com/index.php
oriharu.net/eether.htm
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 12:34 PMReligion and Science does not mix -- faith as I’ve stated before is not quantifiable… -
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 1:17 PMI don't even know why the issue of religion & faith is being brought up (no context is given), as this is a matter of both logical and intuitive comprehension that is fully interactive with Experiential Knowledge. I will address the issue of "Faith" as it exists in "science". The real problem is that there is a Tremendous amount of Faith being put in Science-as-Taught ..... Faith is Theories.... faith in the Institutions of Theories, and those programs and cultures based on what Actually remains unproven. ... except as isolated bits which offer "proof" that is Subject to Interpretation in terms Other than the Body of Popular Scientific Beliefs.
Hyperdimensional Vortexual Physics Existed as Science long before Einstein was born ..... Modern Physics has hastily Buried its own Origins, and Trained its students to EnForce that Policy of Denial with ridiculous ideas equating any form of consciousness as a component in Physics as Religion or Superstition...... this Despite what is Demonstrated by research into Quantum Physics............. Crazy, or What?
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 2:01 PMIf, on the other hand, the reference to 'Science & Religion not mixing' is directed at the Catholic Church...... and other powerful institutions of religion which Exist & Influence the Politics of Science Big Time.... I'll agree.
There are many deep layers to this specific issue which have been largely hidden until the advent of the Internet.... and the Apparent Truths are so surreal (and rather horrific) in scope as to "put off" anyone of an inclination towards simplicity and loyalty to the System as-it-is............
Suffice to say, the Institutions of Power are corrupt and in bed with each other.... and that, Unfortunately for those hoping for a simple & accurate Understanding of the world & how it functions, means that Science as-we've-been-taught-it is a terribly manipulated and controlled Version of the Whole Story that Suits the Interests of the Power Structure.... Religion being a Major Component of the Powers-that-Be. -
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 2:12 PM.... not that most Scientists don't try and Do-Their-Level-Best to be Truthful-as-they-know-how in their work..... Just that So Many of the Basic Premises that we are working from are Deliberately Corrupted So That it's almost Impossible for any Individual to Logically Discern the Whole Truth of Anything..... and so it takes a lot of research on-the-fringes of what is Officially Acceptable.... in order to Understand the Bigger Picture beyond the Controlled Technical Science Knowledge Base that we are told to Strictly Build upon without Full Consideration of the Strange & Surreal aspects of the Phenomenal Universe beyond what can be easily measured with & within the approved Machinery-Instrumentation & procedural limitations.
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 2:30 PMYou see, Leslie, the fault that some of what you have mentioned happened in Physics, and Science in general, is due to the mediocrity, ego, envy, and greed taking over, (as any other, (lucrative, (well it is; we can't deny that), aspect of life)), the key positions in it. The majority of those holding the "reins" have worked, (sometimes), long and hard to get were they are, (from a bad, as well as, the good way of meaning it). However, (roughly), quoting Michio Kaku's words in his book about the hyperdimentions/-space that I've mentioned in another thread in this tribe earlier today), "If science was that easy, everything would had been discovered thousands of years ago, and there would be nothing left for us to discover anymore".
So, now, (returning back to our "moguls of intellectual punishment"), they see that it was not as easy as they thought it would be, and their time "running out", (or so they think), they are bitter that somebody, ("especially some cocky punk(s) who haven't done a sh** in his/their life/-ves yet"), might take their laurels away from them based on all the hard work THEY had put in, (because THIS is how science works - knowledge rests upon the knowledge discovered earlier, and that on the one earlier than that, and so on).
In one of my former schools, I saw a quote from Isaac Newton. It was something like this, "If I could see farther, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants like..." etc., with some prominent scientific names of past times.
Same here, some, (read, "overwhelming majority"), came in science for vanity, money, power; some, however, are the true seekers of the truth. Hence the conflict. The former are purposefully sabotaging those below them so that they have less of a chance to succeed.
Take Maxwell's equations, for example, ( hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hba...html ). They are based on blood and sweat works of three other different, (and brilliant), people - Gauss, Faraday, Ampere. However, Maxwell, (not to belittle his own achievements, of course), managed to see it all in a sort of combined way, as a whole, as a one-piece work, so to speak. So, he ripped "more of the cream" than the sweat of the other three worthy gentlemen, who did the "infantry's job", without victoriously riding in on a white stallion.
Therefore, the situation, (read, Atrocity), that is taking place in the current system of public education in this country is the corollary of the unquenched vanial(TM) thirst. Which is inherently unquenchable, of course. Hence, the "dogmas", and other fruits of the primal human vileness. They want to cementify the "uncluttered", (read, free of dogmas), minds, with those very dogmas to such an extent, so that the "newly arriving" have no chance to even briefly fly, just nuteredly crawl on the ground while the high-ups make their last attempts at eternity.
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(and, please, to those it applies - "not everybody" is a given)
I can go more, but I think I you know what I'm trying to convey.
P.S. Read the book I've mentioned in my other thread today, btw. It speaks of all those things you've mentioned too.
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Fri, June 26, 2009 - 12:42 PMserge that was awesome.
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Re: far more elegant-sublime explanations
Mon, June 29, 2009 - 5:50 PMSure, James.
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HOT TOPIC
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 1:19 PMMixing science with religion in a science tribe is _controversial_.
Please make an effort to reconsider before you might complain about it,
and also please keep the topic inside this thread header...in an effort to be polite about that.
Thank You
~Jon
QP moderator