<<Sure there are lots of honest people in JPL, who are not in the loop.>>

And these are the people who, I would presume, will be in attendance at the Open House. So, I don't see the problem.

<<There's no reason to give such a misassessment of Richard Hoagland's work, just because the people you know at JPL appear to be working at a legitimate level of not know the whole story. Hoagland's work is backed up by verifiable information and photographs from what NASA has presented (in its own distorted way). It's very unscientific to condemn him without taking a serious look at what he has published.... and to dismiss the Many perceptive people who have given his work a thorough going over, and found it to carry the ring of truth throughout.>>

You misunderstand me. I am not dismissing Hoagland's work just because I know someone who works at JPL. I used to be strong backer of Hoagland's going way, way back to the mid 1990's. I listened to and recorded several of his interviews on the old Art Bell Coast to Coast show. I have also listened with some interest to Tom VanFlandern's interviews. But when Cydonia got imaged over and over and over and looked more and more like a jumbled bunch of rocks to me, I had to ask myself just how many excuses I needed in order to keep think of it as "artificial". I read "The Monuments of Mars" and used to believe in Hoagland's geometric assertions, but given clearer shots, the angles are no longer what he claims them to be. Perhaps I was too harsh in describing Hoagland as a "huckster", because a huckster knows he's pulling the wool over your eyes. I really think Hoagland believes his claims...so at least he's being honest with himself.

Nonetheless, Cydonia is a very interesting site, one I would DEFINITELY like explored, by humans on the ground on Mars. Up close and personal.

<<I just hate to see the kinds of bright people who are here dismiss the Whole story based on it being "inconvenient" to have knowledge of the bigger picture.>>

Okay, so by that maxim, let's not throw out the JPL baby with the bath bathwater either. I know that Hoagland claims we already have zero point energy systems and such, but JUST IN CASE he's wrong, and just in case these "low level" scientists are actually working on projects that do matter (which, in my view they most certainly are), I would urge anyone not in on the conspiracy to attend. Since "they" will never fess up to this conspiracy, (and believe me, I've been waiting for over a decade...and Hoagland's been waiting for over 3 decades...)then we might as well get interested in what they WILL allow us to know. It's free and open to the public, for goodness sake!!!

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To Jon:

(widely smiling)

Yes, yes, I understand. I didn't want to post it, but then, I went to youtube to look up some more stuff for Leslie and I came across this.
(It really (and I mean really freaked me out)) I don't know why, but, holy Jeebus (with a "b") I wasn't myself for a second or two there, it's true.

I understand if you take it off (along with this posting I'm typing). It is indeed OT.


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